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By Brad Gardner | September 30, 2009

The New South Wales roads department is willing to amend fatigue management provisions if electronic work diaries are introduced.

A spokesman for the Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) says the method used to calculate work and rest time is not suitable for electronic monitoring.

Currently, a driver must count upwards in 15 minutes blocks for work time and downwards for rest time.

It means if someone works for five hours and one minute it will count as five hours and 15 minutes, whereas if someone rests for 14 minutes and 50 seconds it will be counted as no rest being taken.

Because electronic work diaries are accurate to within a second, drivers may potentially be penalised for trivial work or rest breaches, which the RTA spokesman says is not what the department wants.

“The 15 minute counting rule needs to be changed,” the spokesman says.

“If we are going to have electronic work diaries get rid of the 15 minute work rule.”

Although the department did not explicitly call for changes to the provision in its submission to a policy proposal on electronic diaries, the spokesman says changing the way rest and work time is counted will reflect the accuracy of electronic reporting.

The National Transport Commission (NTC) has proposed the introduction of a voluntary scheme to give trucking operators and drivers an alternative to paper work diaries.

It has recommended companies already using in-house monitoring technology be allowed to continue using it.

The RTA, however, claims current systems are not tamper-proof and has called for IAP to be used.

It says operators with existing technology should be given time to install the monitoring tool, which is currently used in NSW and Queensland for higher mass limits access.

Truck driver and road safety advocate Rod Hannifey has opposed electronic diaries, claiming they will usher in an unprecedented level of scrutiny which will force many drivers to leave the industry.

COMMENTS (8)
Comment by Unknown
posted 16 days ago
I always think why some people which do not have any kind of experience on driving job have to regulate this driving time for drivers.

Can't they understand people have different capacity for doing different jobs?

I mean who the hell do they think they are to put so much stupid regulation for drivers?

Just look at them, they never drive even cars to know what they are talking about!

They all have drivers but they think they are smart and want to regulate driving time and jobs!

All what do they know is JUST TO MAKE STUPID LAWS! As much complicate look more probational for them!

All this tachograph system have to be banned from trucks , and regulations back to 40 years ago!

When drivers could have nice jobs without so much stress.
Hope some days some one stand up against this much unfair laws against drivers.
Comment by 168717
posted 9 months ago
As a follow up to Steve's comment, we do not need digital tacho's when all we need to do is hook up to a vehicles CAN-BUS and gain ALL the electronic vehicle information we need - then you don't need to rely on the GPS for speed, or somthing else to crowd the dash out.
Comment by 16751720
posted 10 months ago
By the second tracking, with automated infringement and fine generation almost instantly for non compliances. Hmmm........ a doctor can work 72 hours straight, kill people through fatigue and negligence, yet the Australian Road Transport Industry has it's very own enforcement branch with its own unique set of enforcement protocols...... It's about time we said 'NO'. Over to you..
Comment by John
posted 10 months ago
Lets propose that RTA executives and government ministers be required to be fitted with ankle bracelets tht use GPS to track their every movement and the speed that they are travelling (infringe them if exceeding any speed limit) and then propose they be subject to BAC and driving hours restrictions. When they scream their objections ask them to justify doing the same to truck drivers who as a group are the safest drivers on the road.
Comment by Steve
posted 10 months ago
I have said this in another posting - but it applies here and who knows who reads what...

IAP is for mass limit control and does not apply to everyone - driving hours control is applicable to everyone. How can the two be integrated?

A suitable driving hours solution could be the adoption of a digital tachograph such as those used in Europe.

It's tamper-proof, and purpose built for the job it does. Also - as there are litterally thousand s of these out there they should be cheaper than an Australian specific device. It counts driving from when it started - not from some magical 15 minute block and would only record an infringment if the driving time went over that allowed. Start driving at 0725 and at 1148 it will only have recorded 4 hours 23 minutes of driving, not 4 hours 45. It also alows provision of entering other work for out of truck activities such as loading etc. It will still record an infringment if the driver only rests for 14 minutes and 15 seconds but at least it will record that rest period and the discretion of the enforcment officer or office staff checking the records can be used to decide if the driver is trying to break the rules or accidentally missed a few seconds. It seems to work ok in Europe - they just prompt their drivers to try to make sure the breaks are just over 15 minutes to be safe. They couldn't be simpler to use, with just a button to tell it you are resting or working and it goes to drive mode automatically. If the driver is pulled over it can print out up to 28 days of data showing the enforcement officers when the driver had rest, nightly, daily, or weekend, and that data is the drivers data regardless of the vehicle he is in.

The speed issue - well - who needs GPS? it requiresan aerial that can be shielded and as "16649015" says above - it isn't accurate enough. A Digital Tacho however is because it integrates direct with the vehicle and records true speed. Yes it will know if you are 1kph over the speed limit.

The data is encrypted, stored on the head for the company to download and also on a card the driver has. If he works for another company on his days off it will be recorded on the card so you can't have a guy working for you 3 days a week and for someone else 4 days a week and everyone thinks he's just a part-timer. The units are also tamper-proof... Seems to tick all teh boxes, and it's proven technology that you could buy today if someone in gtovernment would approve it. The European trucks on the road here are probably already cabled for it!

As for spending thousands putting IAP in? Why? if you don't need the mass limits IAP offers, why can't a Tacho do the job - and assuming no-one tries to rip the hauliers off they should not be that expensive either, after all - it's all been tried and tested and believe it or not ALL the companies that supply every part of the solution are already here in Australia.

A lot of time seems to be being spent with authorities over here trying to reinvent the wheel, and everyone is paying for that - taxpayers today, transport companies tomorrow.
Comment by Unknown
posted 10 months ago
sounds like RTA are making it up as they go along
Comment by Jerry
posted 10 months ago
ITS CALLED BLACKMAIL AND ARROGANCE FROM A NON ELECTED GOVERNMENT DEPT
J BROWN-SARRE
Comment by 16649015
posted 10 months ago
The RTA needs to understand that IAP devices currently used for HML are not designed for monitoring Fatigue Management and in fact an incab driver interface needs to be fitted to allow driver input for Electronic Work Diaries. The tamper issue is still valid for the GPS tracking device but not an in cab screen.

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